Showing posts with label Word of Faith. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Word of Faith. Show all posts

Monday, June 11, 2007

John Piper and Justin Peters Share Message against Health, Wealth and Prosperity Heresy



I don’t know what you feel about the prosperity gospel but I’ll tell you what I feel about it…HATRED!

It’s being exported from this country to Africa and Asia selling a bill of goods to the poorest of poor, “Believe this message and your kids won’t die and your wife won’t have miscarriages. You’ll have rings on your fingers and coats on your backs.”

That’s coming out of AMERICA!

People that ought to be giving our money and our time and our lives, instead of selling them a bunch of crap called “gospel”!

And here’s the reason why it’s so horrible. When was the last time an American, African, Asian ever said Jesus is all-satisfying because you drove a BMW?

NEVER!

They’ll say, “Did Jesus give you that?”

Yes.

“We’ll take Jesus.”

That’s idolatry! Not the gospel. That’s elevating gifts above giver.

I’ll tell you what makes Jesus beautiful…

Friday, June 08, 2007

The Word of Faith Movement: Justin Peters Call for Discernment Part 4 final.

Justin Peters is quickly gaining respect for his thorough and non-caustic treatment of the Word of Faith Movement. Though Justin is known for his work as an expository preacher, his seminar A Call for Discernment: A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement has become his magnus opum. This is a clip of one of the three sessions Justin taught at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is also featured in a stunning documentary on the WoF Movement entitled Suffer the Children. Justin's message is clear, "this is another gospel."

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DD: Speaking of your seminar, A Call for Discernment; I saw a clip about Joel Osteen. Where does he fit into the scheme of this movement? Just thinking through some of his statements on Larry King, when Larry King asks him, “What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?” and Joel Osteen’s response to Larry King when he (Larry King) says if you believe in Christ and He’s the only way, then everyone else is wrong, and that the Jews and Muslims are wrong. I have the statement from Osteen here:


OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and
what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

JP: This is a stunning statement from a man who’s the pastor of the largest “evangelical” church in the country. On national television he’s asked three different times about the exclusivity of the gospel where Jesus is the only way to be saved and Joel Osteen responds that way by saying, “I don’t know. I’ve been to India with my father. I don’t know much of the Indian religion but I know they love God.” He’s talking about Hindus. Hindus don’t love God because they don’t know God. They reject the God of the Bible. So, how can you love someone you don’t even know?

Then he said, “I know for me and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.” Well that’s spoken like a true relativist. He’s saying, “For me I want to have a relationship with Jesus, but what’s true for me may not be true for someone else.” Of course that flies in the face of the entire testimony of Scripture.

Joel Osteen, I do not doubt he’s a nice man, I don’t doubt that he’s a sincere man, but sincerity is not the issue. Truth is the issue. Joel Osteen, by his own admission, will not preach on sin, will not preach on repentance, self sacrifice, taking up the cross, all these things Jesus preached about, Joel Osteen won’t. He says, “I don’t use the word sin.” Well, until people are confronted with their sin, they’re made to realize they are sinners, they won’t see their need for a Savior.
Joel Osteen, I’m afraid, is a ear-tickler that Paul talked about in first Timothy, “People will not endure sound doctrine in the latter days but will heap to themselves teachers who will tickle the ears.” Joel Osteen a preeminent ear-tickler of our day. By not preaching the gospel, the clear, pure gospel, I’m afraid that Joel Osteen is tickling people’s ears all the way to hell. All the way to a Christ-less eternity.

DD: Hasn’t Joel put an apology out for his statements?

JP: Yes, he has. In fairness I want to address that. He received a great deal of criticism, and rightly so, for his statements on Larry King. And he apologized for not being as clear as he should have been. I don’t think that apology holds a great deal of water because the Bible says, “Out of the fullness of the heart a man speaketh.” But also, since that apology, on other national television venues, he has made almost identical statements. So, he continues to preach this watered-down, feel-good gospel that is completely devoid of sin. And any gospel message that is devoid of sin makes the cross null and void. It’s an empty gospel. It’s a different gospel.

DD: I’ve heard you say in your seminar, “Love devoid of biblical truth is not love.”
What is your purpose for traveling and speaking and doing all of the things that you do?


JP: Dustin, my motivation for bringing this seminar to people across the country is not out of bitterness or out of a personal attack. My motive is this; I love the Lord, I love His Word, I’m driven by the truth of His Word, and I’m growing weary of seeing false christ’s, false prophets, false teachers, preying upon God’s people. I want to help open eyes to just how dangerous this movement really is, how unbiblical it really is. But not only to show them the error and the heresy, but also to show them the truth of what God’s word really is. And then, by this people will be equipped to go out and do as Ephesians 4:15 tells us to do: speak God’s truth in love. Lovingly, gently, and firmly guide people away from the false doctrinal system that’s out there to do them harm physically and spiritually.

DD: Thanks so much for you time Justin, and your seminars and your work.

JP: You’re welcome, Dusty. My pleasure.
  • Read an interview Justin did with CBS News on Benny Hinn.
  • Watch Do You Believe in Miracles a documentary done by CBS news (41 min) with Justin as a contributor.
  • Read the three previous three posts in this series.

The Word of Faith Movement: Justin Peters' Call for Discernment Part 3

Justin Peters is quickly gaining respect for his thorough and non-caustic treatment of the Word of Faith Movement. Though Justin is known for his work as an expository preacher, his seminar A Call for Discernment: A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement has become his magnus opum. This is a clip of one of the three sessions Justin taught at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is also featured in a stunning documentary on the WoF Movement entitled Suffer the Children. Justin's message is clear, "this is another gospel."

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DD: Going through your seminar A Call for Discernment, I’ve heard you speak out against this movement but you do so in a very humble and loving way. I think this is a charitable approach, but you’re not compromising your message at all. Can you speak to the idea that, yes, we must speak against these issues and groups that are going against the Bible and the Gospel found therin, but there is a proper manner in which we are to do those things.

JP: The Bible tells us in Ephesians 4:15 to “speak the truth in love”. That’s what I want to do. I’m not out on a personal crusade against anyone. I’m not bitter that I was not healed as a teenager. What I want to do is help equip people to speak God’s truth in love. To make them aware of the dangers and heresies, to help equip them, to guide people away from a false doctrine system that is out there to harm physically and spiritually.

We should not criticize another preacher lightly. When I first began addressing this movement I would not mention names. However, I began to study the Word more in-depth and what I’ve come to discover is that there is a biblical precedent for naming names. The apostle Paul called out by name, publicly those who were teaching false doctrine. So, it should not be done so lightly, but there is a biblical precedent for it. All the individuals we look at in my seminar, have been teaching these false doctrines for years, some of them for decades. They have been called on it but remain unrepentant continuing to teach the same doctrines. They are leading God’s people astray.

DD: Is there is a difference in Word of Faith movement and Charismatics in general?

JP: There is, Dusty. I’m glad you asked that question. It might be easy to assume that a Call for Discernment, is an anti-Charismatic seminar, such is not the case. When it comes to the fundamental doctrines of Orthodox Christianity, clear-thinking Charismatics are in the same boat with me. I happen to be a Southern Baptist. Clear-thinking Charismatics agree with me as a Southern Baptist on all the fundamentals of the faith. The Word of Faith movement, however, is a different animal. It does compromise, and at times, deny some of the fundamental tenets of the faith.

So, I can sum up by putting it this way – all Word of Faith are Charismatic, but not all Charismatics are Word of Faith. To equate the two does a real disservice to clear-thinking Charismatics and it gives the Word of Faith Movement more legitimacy than what it really deserves.

DD: What are some of the most outrageous things you've heard from the Word of Faith teachers?

JP: There are so many. But some of the most prominent are the time when Benny Hinn taught under divine inspiration that there are nine members to the god-head! I think of a very recent video clip from Gloria Copeland saying that she can speak to storms and make them go away just by the words that she speaks. A recent clip of Benny Hinn and Miles Monroe in which Miles Monroe said that God can only do what we permit him to do. He said that prayer is us giving God permission to act on the earth; which of course is a very man-centered doctrine. It’s not God-centered at all. I think of Joyce Meyer teaching a TBN Praise-a-Thon audience that when you give (to TBN, the context of her sermon) you get a receipt in heaven, and so when you have a need you go before god and you say, “Here god, here’s my receipt. I’m cashing in my receipt.” It’s unbelievable. It is a gospel of greed.

DD: A Debtor’s Ethic.

JP: Oh absolutely! In this system God becomes a means to an end rather than the End Himself.

DD: You have all these clips in your seminar?

JP: Yes, everything is exhaustibly documented.

to be continued...one final part.

Thursday, June 07, 2007

The Word of Faith Movement: Justin Peters' Call for Discernment Part 2

Justin Peters is quickly gaining respect for his thorough and non-caustic treatment of the Word of Faith Movement. Though Justin is known for his work as an expository preacher, his seminar A Call for Discernment: A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement has become his magnus opum. This is a clip of one of the three sessions Justin taught at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is also featured in a stunning documentary on the WoF Movement entitled Suffer the Children. Justin's message is clear, "this is another gospel."

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DD: So you have a lot of people come up to you and say, “Justin, thank you!” or they’ve been through the same type of emotion where they didn’t think they had enough faith? And, it was brought onto them by these faith healers.

JP: Sadly, Dusty, yes. Everywhere I go. It doesn’t matter if I’m in a church of 1500 people or 25 people, every time I present A Call for Discernment numerous people tell me that either they themselves or one of their loved ones has been affected by this movement.

DD: What is the Word of Faith movement?

JP: The Word of Faith movement is the proper term to the more commonly known name of the movement, that is the Prosperity Gospel – the Health and Wealth Gospel, the Name-it and Claim-it Gospel. Basically the doctrine says, it is always God’s will for a Christian to be wealthy, and it’s always God’s will for a Christian to be healed. No sickness should ever come his or her way and in the unlikely event that sickness does come, healing is guaranteed. The proper term for this movement which is lead by people such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, is the Word of Faith movement.

DD: Help us with some of these terms like: Word of Faith; Faith Healers; Health, Wealth and Prosperity; Name it and Claim it; Positive Confession.

JP: Right, the Word of Faith movement is so termed because of the fundamental belief, the teaching of this system that God did not create the world out of nothing. He did not create ex nihilo as we say. But rather, God used a substance and the substance he used was “faith”. These individuals teach that faith is a literal tangible substance. When God created He spoke, and His words were containers – almost like Tupperware containers of this substance called faith, hence, Word of Faith. The proponents of this movement teach that we as believers can do the same thing. We can create our own reality. We can speak things into existence by using our “words of faith”. So the Word of Faith movement is a proper term.

Of course, faith healers, people that claim to have the gift of healing, particularly Benny Hinn – he’s probably the most prominent, but there are others, Ken and Gloria Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, teach that as long as people have enough faith they will be healed.

The Positive Confession doctrine, very much related to the name of this movement, Word of Faith, claims that we can positively confess our own realities and make them come into existence.

DD: You’ve used a few names Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Paul and Jan Crouch; why do you want to go after these guys? A lot of people say, “These are great people. These are godly people.” What's the danger in their message?

JP: Well Dusty, the danger is, is that it’s a different gospel. It is my personal belief, and I believe the overwhelming testimony of Scripture, that the greatest threat to Orthodox Christianity does not come from outside of the church, it comes from within the “church”. The Bible, the Old and New Testaments both, are replete with warnings of false prophets. Jude talks about these men who have crept in unaware (Jude 1:4) and we see how Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Light (2 Cor. 11:14). So the greatest threat to Orthodox Christianity comes from within the “church”.

The danger of this movement is that much of what these individuals are teaching is right. Not everything that a Benny Hinn and a Ken and Gloria Copeland teach is wrong, but there is enough error and heresy mixed in with it to corrupt the entire message. The Bible says that a little leaven, leavens the whole lump (1 Cor 5:6). It truly is a different gospel.

The Word of Faith movement; a lot of people don’t realize this, but its origins are not Christian at all. The origins of the movement can be traced back directly to the metaphysical cults, such as Christian Science, New Age and New Thought. There is a healthy dose of Gnosticism in the modern prosperity gospel. So what we have is cultic doctrine that’s been wrapped in Christian terminology to make it more palatable to people like you and me. The Word of Faith movement does compromise, and at times deny, some of the fundamental tenants of Orthodoxy Christianity.

On minor issues of doctrine we can have differences of opinion and still have fellowship in Christ, but when it comes to the fundamentals, there’s no room for compromise. There’s no room for debate. It is a different gospel.

to be continued...

Wednesday, June 06, 2007

The Word of Faith Movement: Justin Peters' Call for Discernment Part 1

Justin Peters is quickly gaining respect for his thorough and non-caustic treatment of the Word of Faith Movement. Though Justin is known for his work as an expository preacher, his seminar A Call for Discernment: A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement has become his magnus opum. This is a clip of one of the three sessions Justin taught at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is also featured in a stunning documentary on the WoF Movement entitled Suffer the Children. Justin's message is clear, "this is another gospel."

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I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of
Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you recieved, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
Sometimes I wish God would give me a Holy Ghost machine gun, I'll blow your head off (Benny Hinn, "Praise-a-Thon", TBN, recorded 11/8/90)! "I am a God-man!…I am a little Messiah walking on the earth in other words.…You are a little god on earth running around (Benny Hinn, "Praise-a-Thon", TBN, recorded November 1990).

Introduction:
Southwestern alum Justin Peters (MDiv 2000, Th. M 2002) was born with Cerebral Palsy. At the invincible age of sixteen, while many of his friends and classmates were scoring touchdowns and dragging Main Street, Justin was bound to watch from the sidelines in his wheel chair. However, faith-healer Nora Lam was coming to town and the prospect of liberation from the chair resonated like a golden reality.

DD: What’s the connection between your disability and the Word of Faith movement?

JP: At 16, a man came up to me and he said, “Justin, God has spoken to me and He has told me that He is going to heal you as long as you have enough faith.” This really resonated with me because at the time I could not drive and I could not play football. I couldn’t do all the things that I thought were so very important at that age. I very much latched onto this. He told me of a faith healer who was coming to town of Vicksburg, Mississippi by the name of Nora Lam. And in the weeks leading up to this I was completely convinced that I was going to be healed.

So, I went to see Nora Lam December 3rd, 1989 and a very long story short is that obviously I was not healed. The potential was there to do a great deal of harm in my faith of the Lord. Thankfully through the love and support of my faith and the love and support of my church home, none was done. At least not permanently. But, my faith was beginning to be shaken in the “faith healers”. I have lived this movement. I have been through it. I’ve been to the faith healers. So I know first hand the harm that it does to people physically and spiritually.

DD: The question would come up then, “Justin, didn’t you have enough faith to be healed?”

JP: Well, that’s what I was told. Because, you see, if you begin with the premise that it’s always God’s will for a person to be physically healed, and that healing does not happen, then the question must be asked, “Who’s fault is it?” By definition it cannot be God’s fault because He is perfect, so the only other one to whom to look is the one who is sick. And, yes, I was told many times that the reason I was not healed and I’m not today is because I don’t have enough faith. I’ve been told on at least two occasions in my life that the reason I’m not healed is because I’m not saved. That affected me for a while as a teenager. Now though, the Lord has matured me in my walk and in my understanding of His Word.

I tell people this – If you have enough faith to be saved, if you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, don’t let anybody tell you that you don’t have enough faith to be healed. Because, being saved is by far the greatest miracle. But, how many millions of people are there out there in the world who, because of what they’ve been taught on Christian television and many of our churches – believe that they are sick or their child is sick because their lack of faith. It’s just not true.

to be continued...